Dear Speed Seduction(R) Students and Fans,
What you are about to read should really piss you off.
Here is why:
There are guys out there in the seduction/pick-up community who are picking your pockets using some very devious, marketing scams and cons. They are treating you guys who fall for this crap like their prison-house bitches, and I for one am going to tear the cover off of their lies and BS to show you how you are getting fleeced.
The Totally 100% UNFREE, ” 100% Free DVD Set Scam”
I’m sorry to say that this one is getting more and more popular in the seduction community.
Here is how this money-suck scam is currently being run by at least three of the major pickup/seduction businesses out there.
1. You starting getting “warmer” emails telling you about a huge DVD giveaway coming up. The guru has 2,000(why is it always that number? I don’t know) sets of his killer Get Skank Ho Pussy Now seminar on DVD, that he did last fall where he charged $2400 for people to attend this sold out (yeah, right) event.
2. He tells you that he has decided to give away these sets on such and such a date at such and such a time.
3. He teases you by letting you watch a few clips on his blog(nothing wrong with that part, I do that myself!)
4. Come the day before the big giveaway, he offers you some early sign up link just so you can make sure you reserve your set.
5. Come the day of the “giveaway” when you go to claim your free DVD set, guess what?
It Aint’ Free!
Surprise, Cedric. You just got your shorts yanked down and now he’s ready to bend you over. Can’t you just see the drops of skeet glistening on his crabby little dick as he readies himself to mount you?
You see, this “Gurusuckmywanda” tells you that in order to get your DVD set, you have to try out his monthly continuity program.
(Continuity means that you get billed once a month on your credit card until you say to stop. Nothing wrong with continuity per se-it’s a legitimate way to conduct business IF it is advertised as such, up front, and not made part of a bait and swtich!)
Now, to make it easier on you to bite down on this steaming ball of bullshit, he positions this as a “gift”. Yes, he’s going to let you “try the first 30 days free”. After that you get billed 79, 0r 87 or however many bucks a month.
Here’s the catch(and the heart of the bait and switch/scam) you cannot choose to opt-out of the free continuity trial. You’ve got to take it or you don’t get them DVD’s he’s been juicing you up over.
Oh, It’s Even MORE Devious, Friends!
By positioning that fat, steaming pile of bullshit DVDs as a valuable “gift” the principle of reciprocity comes into play, and he figures you’ll feel guilty opting out of his crap continuity program. So the bait-and-switch actually gets positioned as him being generous to you with all this “free stuff. He’s calculated that this will make you feel guilty about dropping out of his shit-balls DVD of the month program, and so you’ll keep forking over the credit card every month. Nice, huh?
The Scam Gets Even Worse
The latest twist is to throw in a free ticket to his upcoming SuperSexySuckWad SuperSeminar, a $1495 value, but yours free when you swallow his frothy marketing cum shot and try the DVD of the month program.
“But wait, RJ” you may be thinking. “Isn’t a free seminar a pretty good deal? All for something I can cancel anytime?”
Well, that depends, Buckwheat.
If I were teaching that seminar, giving masterful, world-class, life-changing instruction for 2 or 3 days, sure.
But guess what?
These seminars turn out to be what is called, in the info-marketing business, “product dumps”.
(Yes, there are technical terms for all of the various scam pitches and methods that these guys use to work you over. It almost sounds like “carny speak” the way these guys talk about you. Seriously.)
That means that all the other scum-suck, pink-pantied, dipshit “gurus” who were affiliates to Swami Humpayourmammas big DVD “giveaway” will be there teaching for say, an hour each.
And after that hour?
They are going to be on you like pirahnnas on a drowning goat to buy their own bullshit home-study course, coaching sessions, etc.
In other words, you just spent airfare and hotel to get bombarded with more pitches to punk your ass out of more cash.
Can you feel the love, people? Can you feel the love?
This Fucking Con Is Carefully And Deviously Planned Out Step By Step
Listen bros: these scamsters plan out every step of this, from the first teaser “free report” down to the last pitch of the last hour of the scam product-dump seminar.
And they don’t give one damn bubbly seal-fart if you succeed with women or not.
And I say it’s time to say “no” to this shit.
If you have been suckered recently by one of these here are the steps you should take:
1. Immediately put a stop to the continuity you have been buying into
2. Report their scam promise of a free “DVD” set to the Federal Trade Commission and the Attorney General of your State. This kind of bait and switch bullshit is on the level of telling people they won a “sweepstakes big prize” and then telling them they have to pay some kind of fee to collect. Let’s see what the FTC has to say about it. You could re-work how marketing is allowed in this entire business if you raise your voice to say “NO MORE!”
3. Refuse to do business with anyone who fronts as an affiliate to this nonsense. These guys are all banding together to pick your bones like vultures on a lost scouting party. This is an important step: the scamsters rely on each other to keep you corralled and bombarded.
There’s more-much more I am going to reveal in the coming days.
Frankly, I’m a step away from asking my lawyers to contact the Federal Trade Commission, and other agencies, to see to it that these companies are investigated.
Listen: I’m all for offering free goodies to bonus and incentive people to buy. But HIDING the fact that something is going to be sold in exchange for the promised “Freebie” is plain out DECEPTION. It’s concealing and misleading and it sucks.
The honest way to do this?
Let people know that you are launching a continuity program, and to incentivize people to join, you are giving away your special DVD course for free, that you normally sell for $995 or whatever the actual price is. Then give people a choice-an option-to refuse the continuity and BUY the DVD set at a special sale price.
But don’t hide the continuity. And don’t force it on people either. That’s deception, that’s a scam, and that’s a con.
And the people who do it need to go to jail.
Peace, piece and tell me what you think below.
RJ
Thanks for posting this. I have seen this way too many times on your comptitor's sites. It's just wrong. Thank god you are one of the few “scam free” ways of learning “real” seduction out there.
Yep I feel you ross. I've got some of this guys stuff actually done a training with him and while some of his trainers are good he is just a rubbish teacher, been in a club with him and he showed he's so called “under radar method” just by sitting down on sofa and chatting to his mate that what game he has, now his game is based on getting an expensive table and sure getting £500 table and £400 of vodka gets you some results but is that I point of going into game it completely opposite to the reason I've got into game. Basicaly his advice to be natural sucks, been trying it out and unless ( you have a £500 table and £400 of vodka ) it doesn't give any results whatsoever, got far better results with misery method. He is just full of shit marketing bullshit. Now trying your stuff man learn only one routine of yours a short one and in 95% of times it hits, the best routine I've got. I think they tell you to learn this natural way because it takes ages to learn it and if you don't have somebody to model you probably won't learn being natural in 5 years.
I feel that learning his stuff it just as learning theory it sucks to much in real life .
Great post. Im glad someone had addressed this, I think I have a good idea which company your talking about I have recieved everyone of the things you describe in this email, warmer emails, free clips, early bird free tickets etc touting the product as free, but then you find out that includes shipping costs + being signed up to the elite members group, first month free, then £100 a month or something ridiculous. The new material there claiming is this massive new breakthrough is just stuff that they previously put out through other products years ago, just rehashed and repackaged. I bought a product from this company before and was sighned up to monthly group without my knowledge and when I started getting charged I tried to cancel by phone email, several times and nothing happened so in the end I had to cancel my credit card, then I got an email from them saying that my payments hadnt gone through, and could I make up the lost payments! how convienient!
Ross? C'mon!
I know you've got a continuity program.
I know this post is your own way of marketing, right?
I find down-talking others to be a big turn-off in anyone's marketing. It just feels so petty, bro.
Why so much hate?
Encouraging people to “turn them in” is very “George Orwell.”
By the way, when I click the “Click here to download now” link on this VERY page, I get sent to a page where I feel cheated. I thought I was supposed to be able to download it “Now.”
Isn't that deceptive?
Ross, burn these bastards.
Not even close.
if you go down in that page… you can download … just put youre name and email.. and you will get starter kit…
for free .. tell me.. who give away soo much books, mp3, patterns all for free?
ross one of few pepole that really give stuff for free.. really care about how other people success
Dear Ross,
Well. Where do i start?
First ill thank you Ross. I am a PUA company in the UK called Get me the Girl. Even though it is a second business to me, i still seek to succeed in what I do. I struggle to make any impact in the UK when for every email i send with genuine advice, “the company in discussion” sends 8 sales emails. Not only that, he sends them twice! Mine just gets lost in the inbox.
However. I have to thank “Those who shall not be named” for being so shit at what they do. For ALL, and i mean ALL my clients so far have turned to my 'not so well known training company' having been ripped off by them. When i actually begin the course with my clients, i realise that these guys are in no state to even pick up a girl, and have been pumped up with belief that what they are doing now is RIGHT. Well its not, and it makes my job harder to have to tell them that they just got bumped £750 for a course that i could have taught in ten minutes over a table. They have given them nothing but false confidence.
But then if they werent so shit, i wouldnt get half the trade i do. Plus, when i do get time to put some dedication to this, my job of becoming the leading PUA company in the UK is made easy because the competition is wank. There is such a huge gap to fill its brilliant.
The thing with “Those who shall not be named” is he is hands down, THE BEST AT MARKETING. He is brilliant at getting people hooked on bullshit. He could sell sand to the arabs. There is a pool of guys like him in this world, and they are just fantastic and selling whatever they can possibly put together. He is a Del Boy Trotter.
And we wouldnt mind if the product/service he offered matched his marketing. If he had the product that could genuinly get you any girl you want in the world, then every guy on this planet would pay every penny they had to learn it. Unfortunately, its not the case.
Ross, you wont know me as of yet, i have just started out. Im the JLS of music and your Michael Jackson (just not dead). So if i were to say what you have said in this blog, everyone would have shot me down and said im just trying to beat people down.
I dont want to get involved in a huge slagging fest of shit Pick up Guru's, but i just wanted to say this.
I look forward to keeping in touch,
Kind Regards,
Jamie Cole
Senior Coach
Actually, YES, it IS! In the eyes of the consumer, ME – it feels deceitful.
Rather than all stroke each other here, you should really put down the kook aid and think about what it says when you rally so hard against someone like this. It looks very manipulative.
Now, I'm really not trying to incite things here. I'm just testing the water to see just how moderate and open people are to seeing the big picture.
By the way, there are a LOT of great gurus out there giving away a TON of great stuff.
Black and white thinking is pretty myopic in my view.
C. A.
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Carl, did you read what I wrote? I have NO problem with continuity as long as it is not hidden and not FORCED. I have never engaged in such practices. I will pay you $5000 if you can find a single example of me using forced or hidden continuity. I refuse to do it.
And no, it is NOT deceptive to ask for an email address. You are still not required to pay a penny to me to receive more value from me for free than other people SELL for hundreds of dollars.
Finally, I have a place where I don't even require an email opt-in
Go here:
http://www.seduction4free.com
As for your comment about “turning them in”, would you not report a car theft in progress?
RJ
Excuse me, rather it is speedseductionfree.com
RJ
lets reframe it: ONE good thing this AFCtraining company did??
Showing us the gurus who sold their asses and cross market this stuff, knowing it was a rip.
Thanks for this. I recognize the Gambling man with his pua training facility.
Exactly, why try to mislead people, those guys just care about cash, they were not seducers to begin with.
Who are these bastards? Havent been up to date with the community since I bought RJ's, David D's, and Shade's stuff 5 years ago! Need to get back up to speed…
Ross, you’re so spot on!!
This sounds exactly like Rion Williams’ marketing tactic….
I met Zan and a few of these bullshiters and I failed miserably trying to act like someone I’m not in their shitty cults, they didn’t even do any “in-field” stuff, all we did was sit around and talk theory with the same shit they sell in their DVDs, like their repeating themselves and expecting us to eat it up…I’m sick of this shit
I’m glad to not be affiliated with those charlatans anymore, the seduction community is coming to an end, there’s too many of these guys ripping people off for personal gain, I personally want to see its downfall to the very end. XD
Ross, I agree with you and you are quite right. One such company offers a free workshop or mini-seminar and then as you sighn up for it you are informed that you have been signed up for a free month of their monthly interview cd serious and you can then cancel at a later date, so you are indeed not exeggaring it all, this is happening. thanks for shining some light into the darkness on this particular deceiptful marketing ploy.
Ross,
I’m not sure about most pick up coaches but what you say is UNTRUE in Gambler’s case. From your description it seems like you are talking about Gambler’s Stealth Seduction DVD. I got this DVD for free (just had to cover the cost of shipping) and got 1 month’s free of a continuity programme, which I knew I would have to pay for the following months, before I bought it. Because I simply could not afford roughly $70 per month, I asked them to cancel the subscription. And guess what? They did just that and I don’t have to pay $70 per month. If you were thinking of Gambler, you were WRONG.
It just seems like you are trying to take other PUA gurus down as they are getting more customers than you.
Hey Josh,
My point was(and I maintain this to be true) that originally, the continuity program was NOT part of the promotion. The promotion just promised the free DVD set. It did NOT mention you would be REQUIRED to sign up for the continuity.
So it’s deceptive promotion. Yes, you were allowed to cancel the continuity and keep the DVD anyway, I get that and I never said otherwise.
But the way it was promoted, NO continuity program was ever mentioned in the launch build-up emails and blog posts, was it?
If I’m wrong, please tell me.
How much did Rich pay you to make this post, BTW?
I absolutely love your work here. Thank you for helping stand up for guys like us. It’s a difficult journey to go alone, and a lot of gurus are purposely making these experiences more and more difficult.
yo that’s essential-skills.com
Mate I actually agree 100%, here in Oz we had a “fight club” named fella, and another who shares a name with a particular smurf. I’m was a bouncer at the time, am not at the moment, moved up in the biz, these blokes ran part of their seminar at the club I was cooling (watch Roadhouse for those who are unfamiliar the term). They immediately isolated the group of AFC’s they were chaperoning, and then performed an amazing pick up getting the phone numbers and whispering in the ears of two 10’s, a brunette and a blonde, they then sat with them in a central part of the club whilst their proteges were set loose on the room to start with their approaches. Me being a yarper (Aussie coloquial term for someone who loves to chat and have a bit of a stickybeak) I spoke to one of the blokes who I knew from my time at another club. He told me that he’d forked out about $4000 to do the course as these guys where the new generation and more successful. To put it bluntly he was star-struck. I’m not a PUA, I’ve read and studied from you Ross aswell as a few others, as by applying approach techniques, aswell as anchoring, disarming your AMOG, as well as others, are invaluable skills for me in security. I’d rather have someone eating out of my hand whilst throwing them out, then having to get hands on and violent. Anyways, getting off track, the two master PUA’s sat up and nuzzled on with the two 10’s, as awe-struck protege’s fumbled their way awkwardly around the club. One of the “GURU’S” stood up, called a group huddle, i.e. as footy teams do, then jumped up and left the club, awe-struck procession in tow. The two girls hung around for about fifteen minutes and came up to me at the door asking if I could call a Taxi for them, something I always do as it stops problems from milling around the front of the club. Chatting to the girls I had a bit of a laugh, and asked them if they new those two blokes were PUA’s. The brunette giggled and said ofcourse she did as she was not a total idiot, they were models, not the escort kind, the take picture kind. She explained to me that they were payed to go along with a “set” to perform infront of the guys. The blonde said she felt a bit guilty about duping the boys, but she was a student and really needed the pay for rent. I immediately banned both PUA’s from the club, if we had our name associated with such a blatant rip-off then it would be bad for business. We got a really abusive phonecall by the canandian one claiming to have connections with the New York Mob, and would have me hurt. Like we give a rats arse, even if true, living in Australia and all. I suppose after reading this post on scams, I thought I’d have include my eye-witness account by the self professed “Best in the Business”. Just be careful with your wallets fellas, anyone who demands you pay money for their time straight up and insists you buy their products before “free advice or gimmick” is a tool who’s looking to rip you off. Spend time reading various peoples posts and work out who is genuine in their advice, and who is out to screw you. Anyways, keep yourselves safe and happy fellas, and good hunting. Paulie
By all means, NAME the guys and what company they were, right here on my blog.
I’m coming to Australia in October to do seminars and I want to be sure I don’t deal with these assholes.
RJ
I’m always a little cautious when coming out and naming “real” names when it comes to “social” forums. As you could probably understand the legal “dynamics” could come back and bite me in the arse. I think it most important that anyone trying to learn to be a PUA is that there is no one train of thought, no gurus. I do martial arts and whilst my main focus is on aikido that does not mean that what some one is teaching in muy-thai or Tong Long Kung Fu will not be something useful and have a different approach that is better suited to me, so I learn an adopt it into my routine. Anyone who is familiar with martial art will probably familiar with the term McDojo, which is a reference to franchise style dojo’s who’s only function is to lighten the wallet, give you a pretty belt every few months whilst actually contributing sweet fuck all to teaching you the art of martial arts. Anyone can kick or punch, but do they teach you stance, body language, positioning, free flowing techniques. The PUA Community is full of McDojos.