Which New Course Should I Release? (Your Feedback Please)

i think that it would be better to do both ross because i think that there are some guys that have problems with the material so they need in a step by step structure but i think the language would need to be presented in this way as well.

I would go with #2. That sounds like it would be much more helpful for me since I can be pretty bad with conversation at times.

“I want it ALL, Ross!”, but for the record i believe the languaging and conversation stuff would be really the best deal… there were so many evolutions in the field and a product strictly dedicated to languaging is a great part which is missing, and would complete other courses as NYIG and SS 3.0…

hey rj really appreciate your work i think you should both of the options as it will help people break down the pattern in steps they are likely to be used aswell be easier to deliver along with the conversation being more lively

I think the language and conversation would be more applicable because as you are talking to some gal the conversation will drift to different subjects.

Do both, but I have lots of guys wanting to learn basic NLP concepts for themselves and others. I know you pass people to other trainers, but these guys want you to teach them basic NLP too. Some guys have a hard time making the leap from knowing nothing to using the language without the basic background and they want you to be their guru. Just a thought. It’s the question I get the most when I lead people to your products.

Hey Ross, I’ve never emaild you before, I hope it works out. I’ve recently orderd your speed seduction 3.0 course and I think a step by step guide would be very useful for putting all your ideas into work.

Not that the 3.0 course hasn’t been helping me already, I just think a step by step guide would help make it easyer to bring your teachings from inside my head to the real world.

Btw, I was wondering you you’re ever going to have a class in canada, I think you should maybe come to toronto sometime lol.

Thanks for everything Ross

Hi Ross,

Option 2 assming it is considerably cheaper than option 3.

Barry.

Each course would be particularly valuable, but on the surface of it Option One sounds the most original and interesting. Of course, the path is never truly linear, but having guideposts to measure where one is in the process and where to focus next would be useful.

Thanks for the opportunity to chime in!

hi ross, i think you should release a combination of both as this would help me in all fields as i have serious approach problems and also holding conversation and maintaining a womans interest.

Option 1 would greatly expand your market to those individuals that learn more effectively by reading.

I would purchase such a product.

Of course any discerning student is going to want whatever you are willing to teach, and both sound like incredible ideas. Both sound like products worth having.

But if I had to pick only one.., it would be the Language and Conversation course. Heres why.

On one level, a cookie cutter, step by step approach to SS in the field would be nice, it would be great if on every sarge you could have one simple formula, use one set group of patterns and phrases and bam you are making the beast with two backs, and, if anyone could create such a manual, you could. Very rarely does a sarge go ‘according to hoyle’, there are distractions, there are interruptions, the girl doesn’t respond to a pattern and you need to back up, regroup, and move forward again.

A language and conversation course, that intrigues me greatly, one in which I could develop greater flexibility in keeping the conversation alive, spin patterns more effortlessly off of what she says. This would be a powerful addition to the Ross Jefferies lexicon and I am, indeed, looking forward to it.

And, be assured, whatever ‘new’ constructs and products you provide I shall be greatly interested and motivated in investing in.

Your faithful student,

double t

I would love to have both products
The first product would help me to get the process down with some sense of order.
I feel the second product would probably be of greatest value. I find myself in so many different kinds of situations and this product would give me more examples of how I can keep things flowing under different circumstances

I want Option One! The BHSC gives you enough to go beyond memorizing patterns but it’s very organic and chaotic. I’d like to have a structured, step-by-step framework.

i want it all!

I think option 2 is best.. Gives more freedom for the sarge to go in different directions.
Option 1 seems like the sarge would have to be pretty linear in order for it to have the value of option 2.

Of course I would like option 3 However I’m very interested in Option 1.

I think in a step by step, block by block pattern. I would choose the first option.

My vote is for option 2. Goldwalkups already breaks down the sarge. Offering a course that teaches new tools and “literally HUNDREDS of subjects, topics, and things to talk about” sounds like a better use of your time. Maybe even offer a BEST OF SS FIELD REPORT collection or do another round of your Methods and Masters Interviews.

You definitely need to release the first, and hopefully the second. Ross, you’re the most creative person I’ve met, but one of the poorest teachers (in many ways) because you teach the way YOU want to teach (self professed on many occasions) which is in some ways wholistic/organic, but often difficult for the student to put together. Your original course at least had the workbook, but recent courses haven’t had much in the way of after class/course supporting documentation to refer back to, and listen to CDs is difficult to find that “one” area that a person needs to refresh themselves upon.

Hi Ross,

I definitely think you should release both!

I am only at the start of learning this stuff and so a step by step guide would really help me at this stage. But I love language and once I am up and running I want to break out from the constructs of a framework so that it all feels more natural.

Yes give us it all mate!

Steve.

I cant imagine using an outinthefield, fillintheblanks version. but I am always happy to add to my stock of things to talk about…
F.

I do think having a step by step guide would be helpful but u (RJ) have gone over this before. option 2 is really something I have been wanting. Memorization is something I struggle with (espically when the mind starts wandering) so If you have some techniques to show us how to memorize better then I’m all for that. If you feel the steps are something new that u hav never spoken about then go for both.

Yes Ross, I want it all… at the moment I feel I can do SOME of it real smoothly, but not all. I can get stuck. I don’t always get the response I look for. So I feel I need it all. Best, Amnon

I may be in the minority here, but I really like the idea of focusing on languaging and conversation. I think the concept that trips up most beginners (and even some more advanced students) is the focus on what is being said, as opposed to how it is delivered. If there was a situation where your students, like me, felt the pressure was taken off of what we were saying, then we could concentrate more on how we were saying it.

Also, if I am reading you correctly, going beyond memorization would also allow us to feel what we are saying are words that are from us, so it would seem more real to us, individually, as a shared experience with our targets.

So long comment short, I am all for option two (2).

– 2Charismatic

Option 3.

Hi Ross,
I think option 3 is best.
A tool to create my own strategy is immediately attractive,
but
Being able to have good conversation skills is a must too, as I find I often run out of interesting topics, or the conversation goes flat.

Definitely do both, especially option 2. I would really appreciate a conversational framework to work with and develop my own way of speaking with the speed seduction language. I think it will help identify weak areas that need addressing. Great idea Ross!

I’d like to see both Ross. I tend to do best with multiple sources of information, and by having alot of options to focus on play with arrange, and rearrange in my head “global/holistic thinking”.

Hi Ross,

I think both options would be of tremendous value especially the step 1,2,3 for constructing my own sarges.

The first thing that would be of immediate value would be option 2. I would really like you to add into the option 2 a self practice session so that you have set self practice sessions to integrate the patterns faster.

This is the best suggestion I have for you.

Cheers Paul

I would definitely like both programs.

Hi Ross,

Yes, both products, preferably with a transcript option, and or with some kind of cloud computing web access: I hate using DVDs, but I like watching your online
video style of tuition, and I do need transcript/workbook stuff also because I learn best that way…

Ross,

Both courses would be very valuable.

I would do both and then ensure in the technical guide that you ensure the students have chosen a set amount of topics (from option #2) that they are going to work with. Thus perhaps option 2 is the first part of the course which provides the content/information for the technical guide.

Too answer this question I would need to know the difference between your languaging and conversation course and the one released by Dave Riker a few years ago?

If the two courses are similar, then I would prefer to see the technical guide released.

If your languaging and conversation course is better than Rikers I would like to get hold of both

Hi Ross. I’ve been a devoted & loyal student since 1999. I think people could benefit from both products. being a person from a martial arts background my metaphor is this. the language patterns are like Kata (structured forms) designed as a sort of training wheel, introducing the novice to the concept and nature of the material, with the understanding that the training wheels should in time come off allowing the student to apply the material in the real world, improvising and flowing with the uncertainty of the situation. with the ultimate goal of actually skillfully guiding events to your will!

Both.Why ? WHY NOT!!!

Hi Ross, I think option 2 I’d be highly interested in. Could link with my nlp studies very well. I thinks pretty subjective on the person but in my current situation 2 would suit me most
thanks

Both because you need a step by step when your starting out and learning how to serge and the languaging and conversation goes along with that.

I’d like to have a product designed to be sequential, like option one. I’m sure you do not like wht I’m going to tell but I will do. The NS’ styleliefe challenge is a product that I really like. So, what I would buy right away from you would be a book – designed the stylelife challenge manner – on speed seduction.
The reason why I like that book so much – I’m at day 9 however – is that you are forced to do things in real world, before you can even think of new advanced tools and strategies.
You know, I’m indeed one of the RJ’s junkies so I have accumulated a lot of material, even useless material (of course here I’m talking about david de asshole), but never got real success exept a few approaches.

The optimal product would be created in a step-by-step manner like: day one-> small approach, day 2 another approach, day three, small little pattern after the approach and so on.
Well, in this case I’d buy that tomorrow.
I have already seen the last book intro on lulu.com, but it lokks like a collection of patterns and not a step, by step guide, so I haven’t bought it.

So, sorry for the length of the post;
I have really said what I think;
I really would like a step by step – baby step – approch;
Thank you very much Indeed.

Ross,

You guessed it, both. Why? For me, it is about learning style. I am not good a memorization or facts. I learn from identifying patterns and associating experience. I much prefer learning live, because all my learning senses are involved. Being in a position where I cannot attend a live workshop at this time, and am poor learning via reading, the more varied the learning approach, the better chance I have at absorbing the material.

I would love to see both, while I am more interested in the second option. It would never hurt to see a step by step module to learn how to break down the interaction even more.

Hey Ross,
option 2 sounds more appealing…

” The other would be a course on languaging and conversation. Part of what it does is build upon the language and speaking tools students already have so that you go even beyond “memorizing patterns”. The best way to describe it would be having literally HUNDREDS of subjects, topics, and things to talk about, that aren’t something you need to “think about”, they aren’t a “script”, they become things that YOU KNOW and that YOU CAN TALK ABOUT as easily as you can say your own name! (In short, you’ll NEVER be tongue-twisted again.) ”

that way it helps guys to keep their conversations going and going without running out of things to say.

Brandon
TextHerTonight.com

Dear Ross
One of the difficults I get is where to start and what needs to be done in order to confirm progress. One day the sarge is great the next not so great.
Therefore, in my opinion it would be great if you launced a workbook for people such as myself guiding them through their hardships of sarging.
Your new launch I think should have both that is explain step by step to building the sarge and finally to seduction. And, if you include what exactly to see FANATASTIC the we have everything.
Also if you could include a homework section in the workbook, tasks which must be done in order to ensure success.
Thank you and best regards
Nadeem

Dear Ross: I have been a long time user of your teachings, I have found recently that there are many new PUA’s on the web all trying to up onemanship your teachings.And I have found some to be helpfull. I am thoughly your devote student. I think that you should out out both of your new programs, as it is said Knowledge is power! And the one thing you have always givem to your students is upto date knowledge.

Hi Ross.

Sorry I cannot make it to your seminar in London this year.

Actually, if you are really interested in feedback, I have to vote neither.

You have been teaching to pay attention to the girl and that the sarging should be about the girl. Sure, teaching what questions to ask, aiming for the fourth level, having the right themes and topics, is a must, but ultimately to hook the girl one must pay attention to what topics she “lights up” on. So, one needs to get curious and just ask. There is no course on this. Maybe I got your intentions wrong though…

And as to a step by step, structured SS course, I am more into the immersing factor. When I stand there in front of her. I cannot be in my head. I have to have been immersed in the material, be grounded, have the right state. Learning SS as an academic skill is not useful. And also, for me, with lots of faliures with women in my past, approaching this without some degree of fun, attaching too much value to it, is an obstacle itself.

My biggest obstacle to learning SS has been to feel “allowed” to do SS with girls. And to be “allowed” fuck up. Your inner game products are very good and have helped me a lot but havent really addressed this issue for me. It is just through a lot of meditation, and through meeting a lot of unknowingly helpful girls, that I recently have somewhat overcome this problem.

Also, I have found it a bit difficult to do patterning really early on in the sarge, right at the walkup, to hook really early on, even before the seduction questions. Something on this would be helpful too.

Thats my thoughts.
Cheers.
Magnus.

All of your teachings have been helpful not only in the women department but also as a musician that I can apply to gig’s and getting them. Odd I know but if ti works use it. I have been reviewing several of your Youtube vids and I had a chance to put some of what I learned to use last night and sure enough they work very well.

For me I think Option #1 would be better. In my situation as a working musician meeting women isn’t hard it’s the what to say step by step that helps. I am sure I am not the only one out there in a similar situation.

Hope that helps.

sup Ross..
I think you already have a verity of wonderful step by step kinda products..

I believe the language techniques and conversational material would be awesome..although I do follow your rule of being genuinely curious about the women am talking with so I won’t run out of things to say [and if that happens,I know I wasted too much time on words without getting what I rightfully deserve] but some new fresh material would be great

and I think making separate products would make them more affordable than a gargantuan single product..some of us are students on a tight budget 😀

keep up the good work
best of luck

both sound good to me, i’d like to see both of them

I want it all Ross

I would buy both of these programs Ross. I find both useful.

Hey Ross,
Looked at the options and be be honest i think both are great idea’s and i can’t choose between them so what the hell do both !!!!

Adam

OPTION 1. I liked it because “…YOU would build elements of the Sarge for yourself”. This goes to everyone (it should)… nothing can beat our own experiences: our own truth. So if this course “force” you to get your brain to work in every situation, but at the same time giving you the method (SS) and the tools to make the road more harmonious (quick analysis and healing of “failures”), then this is the one You should release.
Thanks.

ok, my 2 cents

The first and the second idea are very good, imho.

Just as with learning a foreign language, you not only get the actual from which you learn, but also a “workbook” to help you practice what you have learned and actually see the progress…

This, in a way is the same, you actually have time to combine the patterns you use and see which is most efficient and also allows you to widen your so to speak “armory”. Overtime you could even invent new patterns or make them simpler and more effective just like turning a “I will” into “I`ll” for exam….
This would be very welcome, certainly for the new guys

To the second part of your question, this would also be welcoming…I mean it`s always nice to actually have something to talk about rather than let her see the “uhmm…hmmm…let me think about it, I`m not sure what could we talk about”….makes you look a bit dumb imho, like a person who has no imagination and the goal is to catch her imagination, you need to look like a creative guy who always has an idea or something to say and be able to actually respond in order to lead the conversation the way you want ;))…

I would give it a shoot Ross, not a bad idea at all

cheers mate

Maros

I think that both ideas are better than good!! The workbook can be like a reference guide to the actual course that you do. It will help keep a person sharp with the game!!
P.E.A.C.E.!!

I would go for option 2, I’ve been putting a lot of effort in coming up with my own “scrips” in spanish using yours as a guide and having an understanding of how they work, but it would be a lot easier and flexible if I had some ideas to come up with stuff “on the run” (something that I havent been able to do yet) instead of still memorizing the patterns as I usualy do

Hey Ross, for me… defenitely option two!

Ross, I think the technical guide would be great, however, in the field with women and in life in general people are unpredictable and you don’t always know what they are going to say and how they are going to react to what you say to them. So overall I think #2 would be a better product idea. I do think the workbook idea is great though with the fill in the blanks. You could bring up different scenarios with women and students could fill in the blanks based on what would be the best response and action to take in different situations and interactions with women.Just sounds like a good way to learn and get this pounded into our heads permanently. Keep up the good work!

Obviously both would be great, but language and communication would be much more useful for me. Specifically it would be great to get ideas about how to calibrate your conversation to each specific person and situation–for example little catch phrases to keep in mind that center the conversation in patterns without seeming like you’re saying something out of the blue or canned. So either phrases that can start a story (it’s just that… my friend’s cousin said…) or even better, command phrases to keep in mind as goals for the ends of your sentences, especially that. How do you know which commands to embed, and when?

Option 1 is not so clear. can you give an example?

yes def would love both products i’d buy both

Option two sounds more reasonable. It’s like you say we must focus on structure rather than content. And the second option, seems to me, that stirs away from memorized scripts and more to making ss part of who we really are.

Hello Ross, Greatest Teacher Ever :),

I have enormous respect for you, who have opened my eyes to the girl getting side of life.

You should create 2 separate deep dive products- one for option 1 and another for option 2. If this is not possible then I find option 2 more important.

RESPECT,

Ivan Yamalieff,
problem manager, HP, Bulgaria

Hello Mr. Jeffries,

I like the ‘option 1’, because I think that small concrete steps are a very good way to get into something. It would help me a lot I guess. But I think, I would not use a ‘book with blank lines etc’. – Well, I maybe would use a iPhone / iPad Application or at least a Excel / Numbers Sheet.

I like the ‘option 2’, because I guess routines and patterns may tend to make a conversation quite superficial and not verry authentic. Having interesting and fun topics to get to know each other or to ‘break the ice’ would be great.

So – I guess I prefer option 3. But maybe starting ‘small’ as a 1.0 Version that can grow in time and possibly someday reach the level of ‘iPhone’ or whatever.

Best regards from germany – I am looking forward meeting you in london next week.

Michael / rabbit

id go for two , cuz it tells you wat to say from your mind , its not a script to read , and its easy to learn the sequence for the things , so i prefer option two 🙂

Hey Ross,

Been following your stuff for over 20 years! I even bought your book “How to get the girls you desire into bed” when it was still in manuscript form. (Wish I knew where it was… must be a collector’s item by now)

I like the idea of both products. I think it would be great to include the workbook with the language training as a way of keeping track of our efforts and making progress.

I thinks some of your best stuff for me has been the concept of themes and it seems like this new product takes that to the next level.

Thanks again for your outstanding work!

Mark
(415) 789-6009

languaging and conversation would be grate.

I vote for both, although the step by step guide would be of immediate interest and the languaging course something for future study

#2 (assuming it gives a creative base and not just an encyclopedic collection), because I prefer materials that deal with who you ARE, and internalization of skills, over materials which deal with what you DO… “Being rather than doing”.

i’m kind of a newbe, and both products sound like something i can use.
sorry but begginers need any help they can have…

Option 1, the step by step appeals most to me, but they both sound excellent (and long overdue!). Make ’em both! You know you wanna anyway!

Hi Ross,

I personally would benefit most from option 2, but I can’t help but see how beneficial it would be to have option to also. I could have really used something like that when learning and practicing the material–So, if you can do it, then both is my call…If only one, then option 2 helps me the most.

I’m gonna say do both Ross, I’m sure both will help in business and with women

I would like OPTION NUMBER 4
which is
Option #2 plus
an interactive DVD which listens to my words, does a limited amount of word spotting (google “ELIZA” ) and comes back with
nominally sensible spoken sentences (shall we have it talk in a French accent? Scandinavian? Sultry Russian?) so I can further respond to and practice with.
As niceties, it would time the quickness of my responses and tell me nice things when my speed of interaction improves as any good training tool would. You may be able to
feel now the sales potential and student impact you could have with the direction I am suggesting.
PS I am very knowledgeable in voice recognition and a host of other useful technologies that you can feel free to imagine contributing to a package so unlike other competitors in the speed at which it dramatically improves the skill of those students you love to teach that you could stop
and wonder if such a breakthrough, one that satisfies you in ways that truly meet your needs, has finally come to your attention from an unexpected source but certainly not before Wednesday of next week.
I have prepared a web viewable product plan skeleton for such an item which we can discuss in your leisurely or perhaps adventurous moments.
With great respect,
Roland

Definitely option two, languaging and conversation. And a gigantic dubbie to get me to feel like talking.

Both! Definitely! The reason is simply that belong to different elements in the sequence. The first is more about getting started/ getting a training wheel to work with, the second is about having a pool of ideas ready to use when deciding spend more time with a girl (girls).

Quick question: are you also hosting seminars about them, or just creating a program?

Ross
Both would be ideal, but if I was forced to pick one I would choose option 1

I firmly believe that the language patterns mastery supercedes any pragmatic 1, 2, 3 approach but also am keenly aware that many men need a “toolkit” (pun intended).

I say launch them both because even though I believe the language patterns are primero that MOST men will acclimate to a guidebook step-by-step approach.

Being able to generate orgasms in women just thru online chat like yahoo messenger has proven to me just how powerful words are. To lead a woman to a verbal orgasm with just the written word is an amazing eye opener. I have done so on several occassions using the keywords the women present me with and then use elevation and direction based upon those motivators.

Powerful stuff for sure.

Thanks Ross for your Alpha leadership.

Cheers,

Keith

I’d love to see a book with all the general knowledge about women put together. All the information from the blog with examples of what to do or say in a given situation but keeping the focus on the general attitudes and understandings to have about women.

If I had to choose one of the options it would be, ofcourse, both. Im sure both will have a lot of value.

I like option 2. Rarely do things go as planned… I prefer the think on my feet approach and having just topic tools would always be helpful.

Hi Ross,

I would like both, mostly because each of the two helps in different ways. The “follow the checklist” version helps you get started and going. The language patterns and principles course helps you become more effective and flexible once you have reached at least a degree of “conscious competence”.

Ironically – it is probably the “Nail your Inner Game” program that should be your starting point! Most men coming into speed seduction have a conga line of experiences, that the way they have interpreted their meaning, continues to cripple their ability to use your material – and a whole lot of really important stuff besides! That program is probably the most powerful and far reaching of anything you have ever done.

If there is any better program that helps people get “Un-stuck” and moving congruently towards what they want, I have never come across it! Getting your head into the right place before you do anything well is a pre-requisite – and “Nail your Inner Game” is the best at it!

Kind regards

Daniel Phillips
Sydney, Australia

I like both options, so do both

both

#1 would be good because it’s easier to learn something if you have a model in front of you along with all the theory instead of just theory or description. also, is easier to make sense of stuff you’re learning and practice it efficiently if you have a step-by-step manual than if the information is given to you randomly.

and #2 would also be cool because it would be nice to be prepared for as many situations as possible.

I would actually like to see both of these offered. I would find both incredibly useful and I imagine many people are in the same boat. Thanks for all you do Ross.

I would definately buy both of these. These are two things that ive been looking for anyways. You would make alot money by releasing both of them.

Hi Ross,

I think both would be great products but for myself I would prefer the second one. I have been trying to devise way’s for a while now to try to make ss language part of who I am rather than just something I memorise and recite, and to be able to weave ss language into pretty much anything I say, though I am often finding this difficult. From your description of the second product it seems that product no.2 would help with this. I think the second product would really help us to advance to an ‘expert'(for want of a better word) level with ss.

Thanks

Oh, and one more thing…

I really liked your hypnotic induction. Are you planning to do anymore in specific areas of ss, also on inner game, self belief etc… I’d be interested in something like that too! 🙂

Thanks

Hey Ross,

I would definately prefer option 2, as it empowers you to really be flexible with language patterns and create your own patterns based on topics that you can test and learn from.

With love and respect,

-Stephen

I want it all, Ross!

Both sound like great products!

Rk

I would buy both, if offered.

Hi Ross,

Option 2 sounds like the best possible option although both do sound great .

Hi ross,

Option 2 sounds like the best of the 2 fantastic options 😛

Hi Ross,

I say Option #2. On it’s own. Without hesitation. Scripts in any frame take years to feel natural, and the pressure threshold is waaay too high for me here… I have come to a realisation today that allows me to relate to what you’re teaching in a way that scripts just can’t achieve on their own. You don’t have to read on, it’s a bit of a brain dump, and I’m coming from both an academic and a new student’s POV, but if you should want to I think
you’ll find it an interesting viewpoint.

I’ve only been checking out your stuff for a few days. I split up with my fairly long term girlfriend a year or so ago, and while I’ve never been a ladykiller I knew I needed a kick up the arse, so I thought I’d damn well take the bull by the horns, and WHAT THE HELL, take an interest in the message, see what happens! I’m not a shy man today, and I’m certainly capable of approaching and talking to various women, but in taking the casual, no-pressure approach I’ve always managed to basically hypnotise myself into feeling that too. Turning those situations around from casual encounters to points of action in my favour is an appealing prospect.

Let me be straight, I’m a nerd. I’m just as interested in the academic side of all this and NLP etc as the practical, although the latter clearly needs some refinement in my case. As a clearly intelligent man actively using language to this degree I’m sure you’ve already considered these things too, and hey, that’s precisely what you’re doing, right?

I’m fascinated by language in general. Over here in nerdland, we have philosophical standpoints like Wittgenstein, who defines the nature of reality as something enclosed and trapped by the language we possess to describe it. It’s psychologically difficult to argue, I mean if there was no word for “chair”, what’s a chair? or a seat? it’s a small couch? a shelf you sit on maybe? Well then, if it’s a shelf, what makes this a shelf you CAN sit on? Language and/or convention is the answer. And that’s a hugely important “and/or”. As a result, the language we have and use necessarily defines our allowed and available behaviour as well as our perception … (I’m sure there’s the makings or leadings of a pattern in here :-P)

Back to SS, my fascination with language goes right through to the subtleties, inference and tonalities you describe and use as part of your tuition. Indeed, just through being a smart arse, thinking in this way, I’ve learned and trained myself to use language in business, and in constructive debate and argument pretty effectively so as to disarm the “target” and dissolve resistance.

It’s a blunt knife still, but it’s a skill that, in my experience at least, lets me push ideas I want to convey without my subject either feeling fear to disagree (they often don’t) or, and more critically, to feel criticised personally if they do disagree.

I have found this an unbelievably powerful tool, such simple leaders as “I feel” and “you might find” for instance go a LONG, LOOONG WAY, but I recognise my major mistake was to use such power purely defensively, or maybe just without enough ambition. I can see it’s gonna take some time to “repoint” myself as it were, but it sure as hell doesn’t feel like a mountain – it feels like a roller-coaster 😉

It’s funny, at first I took in what you were saying, and it all read and felt so unnatural – I thought I could never say these things to somebody and appear sincere – but having a way to relate to it in my NATURAL behaviour I’m starting to get it. For me, part of doing that was by coming to realise a few key things

1) you’re using language actively and deliberately in the same way I do now in a business negotiation or a debate in the pub after work, but you’ve channelled it in a far, FAR more positive way. My goals have been selfish in the extreme. I was using language to DEFEND, DISARM and hence remove opposition. Indeed, I use the whole casual “hey, we’re just people meeting, what of it?” attitude to relieve MY fears or resistance to meeting women, but I wasn’t using it to relieve HER fears. I see that you’re using language just as creatively – and certainly more so – to make OTHERS feel GOOD. And while both ends bring personal reward, clearly the reward you’re helping us all chase is WAY better 🙂

2) I’m actutely aware, to a lesser degree maybe, of what you call “weasel phrases;” those transient words that remove the aggression, or misdirect the intent from a communication. I know damn well that this stuff WORKS. But here’s the bit I just realised, it’s not trickery or deception. I have to be honest it all felt a bit deceptive at first, but now I can relate it to my own experience in a different frame *directly*, I can see it’s about expressing your INTENT in a COMFORTABLE WAY, not about manipulating or tricking anyone.

3) The scripts you present; the patterns, aren’t MEANT to be repeated verbatim, it’s about instilling a train of thought, about driving home a technique for powerful expression that plants ideas that you want to convey.. and crucially, in a seductive way. You HAVE to be deliberately sensual and suggestive, it’s not going to work dead-pan. You HAVE to not be afraid of showing intent – you can’t just reel this off dismissively and expect it to work on its own.

You see I’ve come to realise that unlike learning this stuff word for word – which frankly I’m not sure I could ever pull off – having an enlightened sense of both how to express yourself in a leading way, suggestively, sexily, with a few choice language tricks in there and having a few topics on hand you can talk around is the TRUE DYNAMITE.

It seemed at first that this was about memorising enough patterns and stories to last the night, and I couldn’t relate to that. I couldn’t see local girls relating to that, it’s too formulaic, too unnatural, which is why I’m not out tonight doing it. But on the other hand, picking the language skills and tonality, and a repertoire of suggestive phrases out and then applying it to whatever general conversation.. well, there you go. Speed Seduction AND sincerity… in appearance at least.

And that’s why I vote option #2. a general repertoire. stuff like the twin brothers opener – that’s GREAT, it’s so easy to come up with your own spin, and I think that’s KEY.

Yes. Finally, something resembling an actual lesson plan. Like in college, a class in a subject that you’re burning to learn? Is that what you’re talking about? A day by day skill building course?

I think the stuff you offer is really special (probably fantastically good once you figure it out), but frankly I’ve had problems figuring out how to attack it. So much information to absorb, like drinking from a fire hose. Like being handed a quantum physics textbook and being told, “well, here it is,learn it.” Like a beginner piano student being handed a concerto; too much; where do you even start. Like a mouse trying to eat a whale.

First walking, then running, and eventually the Olympic decathalon. Mastered one at a time & built on, maybe over a few months or even a year, who knows.

I dunno, I might be uniquely dumb in this area compared to everybody else (cause I read all these amazing letters that come in from guys who seem to master everything, while, though I learn, I still struggle), but I could really use some sort of a regular learning plan that I could learn in bites & then constantly test in the real world with real women & build on. But not too much at a time.

Sounds boring, but almost like a school lesson plan. If you’re going to learn dancing or MMA, you start out with simple, basic stuff and build on each new thing till you get really good. You don’t start out as Fred Astaire or Georges St Pierre.

Finally, what you learned would go beyond technique, because along the way you would naturally develop your philosophy and understanding of how and why things work. And it wouldn’t be just coming from a book, it would be real understanding because it would come from real world experience.

You’re the Maestro Ross, Il Professore, Dr Einstein, the Bard of Sarge, and you were blessed with the intellectual curiosity and were driven enough to make the time to develop this stuff. Just show me HOW to learn as well as WHAT to learn.

With your help Ross, I know I can lick it.

The Languaging and Conversation would be good too. I vote for Option 3.

Id go for both.

Ross I would like those two consolidated into one package. I find they both be useful one way or the other.

hmm I will tell you that the both could be of awesome help and the series of step by step instructions could talk about doing the very same conversational excercises…If I may also add, I’m currently studying jiu jitsu and the system of learning is awesome..it takes stand alone situations (you and an opponent) it places you in a scenario and takes you steop by step through the most likely behaviors, resistance and variations you will encounter in this particular situation (please bear with me) each class is stand alone (a pice of the puzzle) however to truly be street ready you have to know all of the 36 stand alone pieces with their respective variations, not only know them to the T, but to be able to flow between them so if one behavior lends itself to make it easier to do another move then you should be able to learn the trigger behaviors and adapt on the fly..this is all with the spirit of spending the elast amount of resistance and effort…soo what does all of this have to do with seduction..wow in street fighting as well as in sarging behaviors are so unpredictable and in looking at this self defense system how there are truly hundreds of thousands of variations..there is a way to small chunk it for the beginner and to develop towards mastery is a lifetime process..much like seduction and this is where I dreww the two parallels..I may sound nuts but I had to share

If i have to pick only one, then Option 2 would be my choice.

Dear Ross, Having purchased the old “Home Study Course” back in ’99, (in fact I got laid in less than 72 hours with the office hottie!!!) I’ve had the pleasure (heh, heh, heh) of learning not only how powerful these tools are, but how they can be adapted and applied in every aspect of your life. After all, in every human interaction you’re selling yourself. So, I believe releasing both courses would be the best bet. Where can I sign up to pre-order?

It seems to me that these kinds of products are already available, from your company as well as other publishers, so why create more of the same? I vote to do neither of them. A product with something new and cutting-edge to offer that actually delivers on the promises in the sales letter would be nice.

I think that option 3 is the best. But I must make a suggestion. You should release a product of sarging in the street with subtitles. I suggest you subtitles due to the noise of the street.

For example, what would you do to stop and hook up a school girl that passes out of your house every morning to go to school? These things are also useful.

Both products are necessary, depending on where your understanding of Speed Seduction and its application, and what parts of it you’ve had most trouble using. They sound like one for people struggling a little, and one for more advanced people.

The first course gives you a structure, which will help guys who feel lost.

The second course lets you integrate pattern language into your natural conversation, so it sounds a little more advanced, for guys who have had success, but haven’t been able to make this a natural part of who they are.

BOTH – BOTH – AND BOTH
Ross, you mentioned at you LA seminar in April, that what you need is to develop a curriculum. Do it. Look, boot camp is where guys bust their ass for 16 hours a day. Drum this stuff into their heads till they cannot possible forget it. You have all the theory and expertise that the other wanabe gurus do not have. I talked with most of the guys at the LA seminar and only ONE of them really does the pattern language. And that guy uses canned stuff. If you develop a curriculum that turns out students who can extemporaneously deliver pattern language, you will sweep everyone else in this business into the dustbin of history.

And here is my contribution. You’re welcome.

The great Ross Jeffries stated the “real theory” behind the “3 seconds rule” long before Mystery coined the name. Here it is, once again, this time off my trembling hand and please excuse my copious use of the word “you”.

The REAL scoop on the three seconds rule is this. When you see a HB, and instead of approaching, you wait until you “have something figured out”, even if you feel more comfortable, your comfort is based on a false sense of familiarity with her. When you are interested, but you wait, you inevitably imagine things about her, which have nothing to with who she really is. After a few minutes, you feel like you know her. You feel as if you have some rapport with her. In actuality, you know nothing and she feels nothing but discomfort because of your indecisiveness. Then you approach her with a familiarity that makes you appear arrogant and ignorant. You look and behave like a fool. Your manner is INCONGRUENT with reality and incongruent behavior is the most unattractive kind of behavior that you can possibly exhibit when first meeting a woman.

The reason you should not think about a woman before you approach her is EXACTLY the same reason that you should not harbor feels for a woman, before you actually experience them, with her, in person. It is the same reason you do not imagine being intimate with her before you actually get intimate with her. It is the reason you do not masturbate while thinking about a women before you actually have sex with her. If you do any of these things, you WILL ABSOLUTELY, without fail, behave in an incongruent manner, the next time you see her, and you WILL appear unattractive.

There it is, my paraphrase of Ross Jeffries. Put it in you head AFC.

Hi Ross,

Both proposals sound very tempting. If I could have ONLY one, it would be option 2.

Thanx!

Dan

Hi Ross,

I kind of like the idea of having great conversational tools in the long run (option 2), but scripts and step-by-step so to say routines seem to be more practical in the field for real life situations, especially for beginners.

So I vote for OPTION 1.

Seismic X.

Didn’t Dave Riker already do both of these courses for Speed Seduction. What would be the difference? Both of his products were very detailed. I don’t know how you would go deeper into the subjects then that unless you made those a requirement before you take yours. Maybe you should do some sort of speed seduction drills course or something different.

I think the Basic step by step for starters then the more advanced language for extra enhancment when the first is mastered..

Hi Ross,

Option one would be perfect for me: using “routines” based on Speed Seduction for the night and the day game. I myself felt the need to create routines after watching Gold Walk Up, LA 99, Fear into Charisma etc.

My suggestion is that you should release both in the same time, making a better offer for those that buy them both and not separate. PLEASE don’t make your new products too expensive !!!

hi ross, they both sound good so i go for option 3. i am from south africa and have to buy the 3.o course first,

I think that both of them will be very useful because as you said Speed Seduction is very chaotic system and some people may have problem to structure it for themselves. The second option will be useful for guys that don’t have an idea what to talk with women about. I personally don’t have problems with my female friends but I have some problems right on the spot with new people. First I want to develop this ability with 3.0 Home Study Course. Last but not least – it’s always very very interesting to listen to you Ross – I think you are really smart and good teacher.

Hi Ross,

Both proposals sound fantastic, and I would definitely be interested in them both.
Running out of things to say is a massive problem for me, but I do respond better to step by step instructions, so if I had to choose, option 1 would be most practical for me at the current time.

Thanks again

Hey Ross, all.
Am thinking along the same lines as the folks above. They are different stage and different technique vehicles. So you should release both.

The basic one with a “how to develop your own voice” type tone is a entry level vehicle and designed to get people to start using the materials so they can build their own basic approaches.

The more advanced course is designed for da poontang posse to identify with the materials and build it into ever more advanced and elaborate elements. Adcanced and elaborate does NOT mean complicated nonsense! It means that peeps get so comfortable with the baseline approaches that it becomes 2nd nature to them and they can also then improvise and improved on certain aspects inline with their preferences.

Just my 2 pence worth. 🙂

Hi Ross,
This is like having to choose between a Lamborgini and a Ferrari. I want both! I initally want to choose opt 2 because the skills learned in that course could also trensend into other areas of my life. Then again, skills learned in opt 1 may also. Ok, I’m going with opt 3, give me both!
Thanks and keep up the great work!
Karl
NJ USA

Hi Ross!

As far as I am concerned, Option 2 is the greatest, since that would help me much on the field : it’s not easy to come up with interesting subjects without blanks in the whole conversations.

Thank you for all you do and keep up with the great work! 🙂

JC

Definitely option 3. And as someone else said, would be great offered as a dual purchase.

I think that your BHSC, SS 3.0 and other SS programs that are not as structured are certainly necessary, although a structured learning program to accompany them would really help in grasping your concepts as quickly as possible for a lot of people.

Thanks Ross!

Option 1 is something I’ve been waiting for for SO long. If I just had something that taught me step by step how to master these tools, it’d be exactly what would help me along. I can go out and walk up to any girl and do what the manual says, lol. And knowing that it’d be learning the skills a bit more every day by just following the steps would be awesome!

Option 2 is good too, not as interesting for me personally as the first one, but in time it might. I’d go for releasing both.

They also seem to fit together great, so what about a package deal?

both (op3) of those sound totally amazing! but if i had to make a choice, it would be the one that would help me the most at the moment! but please, BOTH!!! 🙂

Ross…
If both option were offer..my question to myself would be which one do I want to start to utilize first….i think I would start with option one first and then go on to option two…that is if op 3 is offer…..but if I had to choose…then I would go with option 1…hope that helps… Happy Sargee

Hey Ross, i would love if you either released option 3 or option 2. I already practise your Magick rituals and pattern language so further techniques, developments of the language would be VERY helpful! Many Thanks.

well I’d say that the vibe theme and the energy that a true seducer carries with him is key on all the language, I’ve been studying some NLP books from Richard Bandler, probably you could try to introduce more of that, even though I think speed seduction is made very practical I think you could take more of that complexity from NLP and translate it in more practical tools for SS that’s in the language subject, I love too, themes that girls love, cause it’s true that a woman invests if you use themes that they love, games with themes that are really appreciated by women.

number 2 bcuz I think once u know it well its easier 2 accomplish number 1, if u do both its even better.
thanks for the tips they’ve been very helpfull.

I would want both products. First I would want the step-by-step product. In general, I wish that more of your fine products contained summaries in step-by-step format, because I find those types of summaries easiest to remember and put into practice. If you sold a step-by-step summary of SS 3.0, as an add-on product available only to people who had purchased the SS 3.0 course, I would buy the add-on product, too.

Ross, I think getting the girls to talk isn’t all that hard but being able to flow with the conversion and still stay on course with where you want to go makes things more flexibile and effective. I vote #2

option 3

What matters most to me is the information quality and not quantity.

All that is pragmatic and adaptable at the same time, it is always the ideal option.

Ross = Genie of the magic lamp

BOTH! 😀

They both sound great! They are what I wanted to suggest but never found the forum. I step by step manual for the complete idot. I’m hoping that you’ll give some of us a break on the price since I’ve already purchase a bunch of stuff from you.

But this does sound like the final missing piece of the puzzle for me.

Preferably both, but if I had to choose I would pick option 1.

Both, with a capital B 🙂

I leave it to you Ross. You know most would want the third.. Your stuff is gold.. Similar to asking which path on the Kaballah I should take.. ??

I think Option 3 is best. Both ideas build on each other. Option 1 reminds me of the 52 Cards for NLP Patterns, while Option 2 can build on those phrases to turn them into sub-conscious ways of to think of and use them more naturally.

This is a no brainer. Option number 2 gets my vote. The real world (and especially women) are always changing and challenging. So why wouldn’t you want a product which would help you deal successfully with both? The more fexible a program the better. After all – we are talking about success with women NOT robots. 🙂

Option 2.

Option 1 appears to be geared more towards the rookie who’s still laying the foundational structure of his game that hasn’t really taken shape yet.
Option 2 appears to be geared towards those who are more confidant and have gotten the basics down. It looks like it’s part of the process of casting off the ‘training wheels’ of routines in place of a more open and improvised ‘natural’ form of ‘game’. I get the impression it would be more of a break down on the use of language and the perspective/mindset from which you consider language and conversational topics.

I’d say option 1 is more important of the 2 (never hurts to go over the fundamentals), though personally I’m more interested in looking at the use of language and conversation.

Hi Ross,

By all means, put out BOTH. They are not mutually exclusive, nor can either really be done in complete isolation.

Rather, they complement and work synergistically with each other. Each course will help the other, and the students will benefit most if they can work the two together.

Release both, Ross.

Thanks

Nice! Basically redoing Dave Riker’s stuff but this being ‘STRAIGHT FROM THE MAN HIMESELF!” I would have to say that both products need to be released. If picking option one or two destroys the possiblility of the other from coming out then option 3 for doing both is needed. I think that optimal is combining the step by step game plan to piece all of it together and giving us the mind set to create ‘patterns and themes’ on the spot without having to ever memorize one pattern (except maybe reading some over to get a feel for how they can go well).

Other suggestions:

1) Maybe adding some of the sexual circuit stuff that JLT thinks is the ‘missing link in this stuff (SS)’. So not just the basic “grope the girl” or visualize having sex with her, but having an expert (Donna Eden et all) knowing of which meridians/chakras to stimulate in this girl in order to arouse her. Doc does a short video on this where he has the person look from the ground up the midline of the person via the sexual circulation meridian. So this can be like a type of SRT but it’s not using the language patterns to work on it but one’s using their own chi to covertly run this SRT energy pattern without even having to talk about it.

2) More Videos of you (and students maybe) actually in the field in all of the possible situations that we may come across so that one knows how to put it to use. So, this is like when I was learning NLP I would try to get through the Prac Manual over and over while getting not too far. It was when I started watching video of Bandler actually working with clients (such as Andy the Paranoid Schizophrenic) where it finally started to ‘gel’ and make sense and I was able begin using it.

BOTH!

Option 3 is cool, but you should detail more things about walkups. For example, with another systems is easy to do a walkup because you have status, appearencem oney, etc.. *maybe you’re her type) and another stuff to show.

Now what about the averagee guy? even if he makes a very execellent walkup, why should the girl on the street stop and talk to him? You can be cool, but that with cocky and funny and another stuff wont get you far unless you’re her type.

Some guys forget this thing and crash. for the people who cant go to the seminars, they need more explanation of the reality. woman are busy in the streets, malls and so son and you need something very cool to stop her and talk with. i think you get the point. Nowadays everyone is runing their ass off and dont even stop for a small talk..

Also, you should study some venues and situations.. not every country and state have starbucks, and 90% of the places are noisy so hard to make patterns.

Wel! Of course “I want it all Ross” but i think op 2 is the best not only for begginners as also for those who are a little bit more advanced

op 1 should be for medium level students”if we may call it”
so even though op 2 its the best because there are allways awckward situations that not even a meteor can brake the ice, so nº 2 could help fill in the blanks of silence

Thanx a billion and keep up the good job
by_ Billy

If you master option 2 you wont need 1. The worbook would be better to go with the ss3 cd’s.

cheers

Darren

Option 1 or 3! I’d love to see your version of a product in a similiar vein as Riker’s teachning!

I would like to see a promblem shooting one too on topics due to age, meeting friends and parents, social dynamics etc to be added to option 1. Best places to go etc for guys starting off.

Also plenty of ss questions on each of the themes on option 2.

hope this helps

JD

Definitely both, Ross. But my biggest need would be option 2. I know all the tools and techniques and have them down, but trying to improvising them on the spot in a sarge leaves me with a vacant expression on my face. So a product that goes beyond teaching the techniques, one that could teach me how to improvise it as easily as you can [using any subject], would be dynamite.

Cheers Ross.

Option 3, I wrote to you asking how to use Speed Seduction 3.0 and receieved no reply! This product need some instruction!

I personally prefer option one.